Are the biggest pain in the arse. Man I can't stand them, missed probably 20 due to how soft and fast they hit. I really like when they hit and you know stay on for more than 1/2 a second. Landed 12 today on a bunch of different stuff. Shrimp pattern, Green Copper John, Scud, and a Rainbow warrior and 2 on my spinning rod. Biggest was around 15 inches, smallest, was pretty damn small.